Curse

Zeek Aran · Dec 30, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

I suppose if u wanted to FFF you could get to the point through a series of quests. Because cant u accept the befriend quest once youve done sunjiang.

Don't you need to have done the primaries before you can do the mission too?

MercenaryKnight · Dec 30, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

I honestly doubt a.net will ban anybody. Just like when the loophole with getting items into pre searing. They will most likely just give them a slap on the wrist and say don't do it again. And "fix" it again.

IIIPowerIII · Dec 30, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Jebus

How is this happening though?

Go in LA buy a run for 500ish gold, then you'll learn it :P 3 step and its done... then you can do it yourself...

MagmaRed · Dec 30, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Yeah, it is still active, despite the 'fix' Anet said had occurred. I don't know how it WAS done versus how it is being done now, but last night I saw someone selling runs to anywhere for 2k. I asked for a Run to Central Transfer Chamber, got an invite to his guild hall. Never went, as I had already been there, and didn't want/need the run. But at least I cost the guy 100g for the guest invite

Although I don't think this is anywhere near Duping, it should result in some bans. Not Account bans, just temp bans, like a 72 hour one or something. And only for the people using it, not the people getting the runs done. I won't argue about WHY, but this is bad for the game for several reasons.

BenjZee · Dec 30, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

u dont need the primaries to do a mission in prophecies and factions. Prophecies let anyone get anywhere and do the mission. factions locked the gates so u couldnt get to the areas without a quest. but if u teleported to the area u could do the mission (go in party with same quest i think works but not sure). nf stopped all of this

Archaic · Dec 30, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Sorry to pee on anyone's happy parade, but I've been doing some testing, you can't do Securing Echovald Forest without doing the storyline primaries first, so...no easy survivor.

Terraban · Dec 30, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

And only for the people using it, not the people getting the runs done.

lolwut?

So the people using the exploit to get places on their map shouldn't be banned, only the people who helped them?

IIIPowerIII · Dec 30, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Archaic

Sorry to pee on anyone's happy parade, but I've been doing some testing, you can't do Securing Echovald Forest without doing the storyline primaries first, so...no easy survivor.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Kilroy_...xtravaganza%21

the new very easy survivor...

MagmaRed · Dec 30, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Terraban

lolwut?

So the people using the exploit to get places on their map shouldn't be banned, only the people who helped them?

Yes. The people doing the run are USING an exploit. The people getting run are making use of someone's ability to use an exploit, but aren't actually using this exploit themselves. Since the person being run can't run themselves (they haven't been there yet) they can't use the exploit.

I only think the people USING the exploit should be temp banned (make sure the temp ban comes fast enough, and lasts long enough to cover the hat handouts

)

6am3 Fana71c · Dec 30, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Well, this certanly explains why am I seeing "Ferry to Kodash, 5K" advertised in Kamadan. How sexy...and I was working my ass off to get my dervish there for his white Vabbi ~~

Terraban · Dec 30, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Yes. The people doing the run are USING an exploit. The people getting run are making use of someone's ability to use an exploit, but aren't actually using this exploit themselves. Since the person being run can't run themselves (they haven't been there yet) they can't use the exploit.

I only think the people USING the exploit should be temp banned (make sure the temp ban comes fast enough, and lasts long enough to cover the hat handouts

)

Wow....that is some screwed up logic.

The innocent people that are getting the "run" know good and well what it is. They are using the exploit just as much as the person using it with them. They actually have to do the exact same process....enter into a place then resign. It's not like these innocent people accept a party invite then POOF they are there.

People using the exploit to skip the game shouldn't be banned, but the people helping them should. I am thoroughly confused by that logic

Zeek Aran · Dec 30, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Wow....that is some screwed up logic.

People using the exploit to skip the game shouldn't be banned, but the people helping them should. I am thoroughly confused by that logic

Dupers were banned, but not everyone who accepted laundered items were.

MagmaRed · Dec 30, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

It's control. As mentioned, if EVERYONE recieves a ban that has used this, there would be HUGE numbers unable to play the game. Restricting to the ones actually using the exploit makes people stop using it (you'd hope). Since it requires someone to do the run, all runs would stop if the runners couldn't/wouldn't run anymore.

I'd be willing to bet that many of the people getting runs know it is an exploit, but do not know how it is done. I am also willing to bet there are a large number of people who use wiki to see what armor looks like and how much it costs, and where to get it made. Those people do not, however, always know that they way someone is offering to get them there is an exploit.

So although many people getting runs know it is an exploit, not all do. ALL runners know it is an exploit. This way, a mass banning of anyone running or being run with this method means some would get banned 'unfairly'. However, banning only the runners means you are banning everyone 'fairly' since the runners know it is an exploit they are using.

Steboy93 · Dec 30, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I think a-net needs to focus on fixing this rather than chasing people with bans for doing it.

MagmaRed · Dec 30, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Steboy93

I think a-net needs to focus on fixing this rather than chasing people with bans for doing it.

They need to do both, but I don't see bans coming from anything short of /report or screenshots sent to the support site.

Terraban · Dec 30, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Dupers were banned, but not everyone who accepted laundered items were.

Duping required two people to partake in the duping. This requires two people to partake in it.

Banning the person who didn't get the duped item, but letting the person with the duped item go doesn't make sense does it?

Only banning one person in a 2+ person exploit doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense to ban the person who didn't benefit from it.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

I'd be willing to bet that many of the people getting runs know it is an exploit, but do not know how it is done. I am also willing to bet there are a large number of people who use wiki to see what armor looks like and how much it costs, and where to get it made. Those people do not, however, always know that they way someone is offering to get them there is an exploit.

So although many people getting runs know it is an exploit, not all do. ALL runners know it is an exploit. This way, a mass banning of anyone running or being run with this method means some would get banned 'unfairly'. However, banning only the runners means you are banning everyone 'fairly' since the runners know it is an exploit they are using.

Come on....

Ok, accept this guild invite. Now come to my guild hall, then we are going to preview a guild hall, then we both have to resign, then we teleport to the place you never had!

Who the hell could possibly think that is not a glitch?

Solange · Dec 30, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

It's control. As mentioned, if EVERYONE recieves a ban that has used this, there would be HUGE numbers unable to play the game. Restricting to the ones actually using the exploit makes people stop using it (you'd hope). Since it requires someone to do the run, all runs would stop if the runners couldn't/wouldn't run anymore.

I'd be willing to bet that many of the people getting runs know it is an exploit, but do not know how it is done. I am also willing to bet there are a large number of people who use wiki to see what armor looks like and how much it costs, and where to get it made. Those people do not, however, always know that they way someone is offering to get them there is an exploit.

So although many people getting runs know it is an exploit, not all do. ALL runners know it is an exploit. This way, a mass banning of anyone running or being run with this method means some would get banned 'unfairly'. However, banning only the runners means you are banning everyone 'fairly' since the runners know it is an exploit they are using.

So what you're trying to say is

I've used this to but I wasn't the one leading the group so don't ban me but ban the person who portalled me

NICEEEE

Zeek Aran · Dec 30, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Steboy93

I think a-net needs to focus on fixing this rather than chasing people with bans for doing it.

I don't see why they didn't do an emergency 'remove all ambassadors temporarily' thing. I don't see how they can let this go on this long without doing anything.

IlikeGW · Dec 30, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

This sounds great actually... I find it odd you're expected to play the campaign through more than once in the first place to go do things like get armor on another character. The "gated" stuff was a total step backwards in enjoyment.

MagmaRed · Dec 30, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Solange

So what you're trying to say is

I've used this to but I wasn't the one leading the group so don't ban me but ban the person who portalled me

NICEEEE

Why would I use it? I have all outposts on all but 1 character, and that 1 character is missing only a handful of Tyrian cities not worth going to. I am saying to ban the people who use it, so if you think I am running people with this exploit..... LOL

And for the comment that people don't know that this is an exploit.... Yes, there are people who are stupid, and don't know what is happening. Should they be banned because they did what they were told to do by a runner? Trust me, there are people stupid enough to do anything you tell them to do. Don't believe me? Ask how many people have had accounts stolen because they tried to buy/sell a guild wars account for in game gold.